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Ian,
The results are up at:
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=248426Here is a list of the top ten laps I found if you take the main event times and remove anomalies and DQ?s
Time Name Class and position finish
1 50.663 Ben Schermerhorn, 125 Shifter, 1st Place
2 50.721 Greg Welch, 125 Shifter, 5th Place
3 51.428 Cody MacIntyre, 125 Shifter, 2nd Place
4 51.657 Cole MacEwen, 80 Shifter, 1st Place
5 51.784 Jeff Field, 125 Shifter, 3rd Place
6 51.868 Justin Simonson, 125 Spec Shifter, 1st Place
7 51.920 Ken Kawakami, 125 Spec Shifter, 2nd Place
8 52.383 Jesse Toby, Tag 4 Cycle, 1st Place
9 52.431 Pat Rosse, Tag Sr, 1st Place
10 52.533 Mike O?Connell, Tag 4 Cycle, 2nd PlaceWay to go Ben. Also kudos to the three Tag drivers who made it into the top ten!
We currently run both Rotax and a new four stroke Tag engine (Vampire). We have run other Tag engines as well. The Vampire is more fun, less maintenance and far less expensive to operate.
If we were just starting I wouldn’t look beyond the new four stroke engines.
Cool. Count us in. We will go over details with you next time we stop by the shop. Wouldn’t it be great to get a large group from Colorado to do!
You are in a no win situation Jim. And, yet, in the end most people leave happy. It is a long day for racers and teams. It has to feel much longer for staff and volunteers. We racers will always have opinions we freely share but we recognize in the end that you Track owners are the decision makers. You are in a tough position and have to make tough calls (like what the hell to do with that Jr four stroke Tag guy :argue ). We may not always like your decisions but I accept them. I?m sure most other people feel the same.
Remember, you must be doing something right. The club series is bigger than the CSC series.
What an awesome opportunity! We would love to go but Jesse is not old enough. Any chance of getting a Jr class going?
124 entries for a combined Rotax/Club race! That?s awesome and more than the 111 that raced through the rain at the first CSC event. It is nice to see that the intent of the shortened CSC schedule to revive the club race participation is working.
After all the fun racers had in the rain at Bandi I bet all the Rotax racers will be doing a rain dance. For the sake of the rest of the racers I hope the rain holds off.
FM broadcast! You just keep raising the bar. :cheers:
What time will you open on Saturday?
Angel,
The Rotax starter is identical to the Leopard starter. There are plenty of them around. I always carried an extra when we ran Leopards. Most of the time when a Leopard starter stops working it is because one of the brushes broke from vibration. You can buy a brush kit and easily rebuild the starter if that is the problem.
Anybody out there have a used, rebuilt Rotax or Leopard starter for Angel?
The racing yesterday was awesome. The classes were fast and competitive. The weater was perfect.
Good luck to Team Arrow USA West at the Stars event this weekend. We don?t wear purple but as fellow Coloradoans, we wish you the best. I know you will represent us well. Bring home the gold!
Very well stated Jack.
I discussed the Sr and Jr Tag races only because a Vampire four stroke engine ran in those groupings. Greg Welch and Jesse Runkle won those classes and I give both drivers and their teams credit for winning. I like and respect both drivers. They both happened to race Leopards which I mentioned only because they were two stroke engines.
My point was that the new Vampire four stoke engine ran competitively in both groupings and provided some excellent racing. I, for one, would like to see the new four stroke engines run in the Sr and Jr Tag classes without having to run separately. Less classes means bigger fields, better racing and more track time for everyone.
Although my post had nothing to do with blueprinting, I couldn?t agree more with your statement, ?when both the chassis are handling good, and both drivers are good, then a little bit more out of the motor makes a big difference.? That is a topic worthy of much discussion. It just doesn?t have anything to do with my original post. :cheers:
Doug,
I strongly recommend you get a grip on yourself. I think you will look back on this post months from now and see how silly you are being.
You continue to put words in my mouth that are not there. You continue to suggest that you, and not me, know what I meant to say. You continue to tell me what my veiled attempts are. You continue to state I am making insinuations and using innuendo to make a point that only you can see and want to discuss. You continue to divert the discussion away from the intent of my original post. Why can you not take a discussion at face value? Why do you think there is something sinister about what other people are saying? I feel sorry for you.
I keep trying to follow you on the topics you introduce and your agenda even though they have nothing to do with my post. When I boil it all down it seems to me that you are reacting to one simple, off topic, question I put in my post, ?how many Jr Leopards are stock?? Contrary to what you repeatedly say, it was not a statement but a question. Don?t read more into it than is there!
I?ve taken responsibility for my post being poorly written and not focused sharply. I made an attempt this morning to be more precise with a new post. Still, your responses to my post are not excusable.
When I try to cut through all the BS the only thing that makes sense to me is that you are bent out of shape because we raced an Intrepid last weekend instead of a Shockwave. That is really petty. During the trophy presentation you were still trying to get me to commit to putting the Jr Vampire on the Shockwave chassis. You told me how Brad did a great job modifying one of your chassis to get the Vampire to fit and how you would like me to do the same. I was non-committal. I am now. I will not use a Shockwave chassis or components again.
Doug, you are the hypocrite, the LIAR and a manipulator. The sad thing is you do see it and seem to think it is okay to be that way. As I said above, I feel sorry for you. BTW, I am very happy and having lots of fun.
Freezeman,
I agree that given the unusal conditions of Sunday’s race that it is not the best indicator of things to come. My concern is how far will we go into the season before a decision is made?
My understanding came from a discussing with Brad. He had been talking with Marty Cassey of TagUSA and the thought at the time was that it would be good to run the Jr Vampire together with the two strokes here in Colorado as a test bed.
I also am excited about the development of these new engines. I think they are a sign of things to come. They are more expensive up front but my hope is that the overall cost of operation will be lower because of higher reliability and lower maintenance costs. I know that has proven to be true with my motorcycles. I do think they offer more performance potential than the current Tag engines but they are being restricted by TagUSA with the intent to level the playing field. We all know how difficult that is.
I couldn’t agree more Mike. Cheers to Bobby and the flag crew. Also to the entire Bandi team that worked hard through the rain. It was an awesome event.
Wow! I?m surprised and shocked. You continue to put words in my mouth that are so far off base I must assume you have some hidden agenda. For your sake, I hope this is not about us showing up at Bandimere with an Intrepid because the new Jr Vampire engine would not fit in our Shockwave chassis.
Please try to put aside what ever is motivating you long enough to read my words ? not what you think I said, implied, or insinuated. Not what you want to hear.
One more time, read my post! I never said anyone cheated. I never even used the word. I never insinuated such or made a single accusation. What I said was how really awesome the racing was and, in particular, how Jesse Toby loved racing with Jesse Runkle. We had fun and we got beat. We were the first to congratulate Jesse Runkle. He drove the wheels off his kart. We are so happy for him. I?ve never once suggested in any way, shape or form that he cheated. We love to race with Runkle. Sometimes he beats us, sometimes we beat him. We get beat all the time and never felt, with only a single exception, that anyone who ever beat us was a cheater. Doug, you are so far off base that, frankly, I?m concerned about you.
Again, re-read my post. My message was about the Vampire engine. There are some who want us to race in a separate four stroke Jr Tag class. That would automatically give us a championship but that is not what we want. We love the competition and want to race against the two strokes. I?ll never know how you got off on this tangent about cheaters.
For you to call me a liar to cover up your behavior is way over the top. I have no motivation to do anything but tell the truth. What is your motivation? Integrity is not one of them. For you to blatantly lie on this public forum and call me a liar with absolutely no basis is scummy.
At the first IMI/The Track club event you came over and talked to us. We had our Rotax in our CRG chassis. Our Leopard was in the shockwave chassis. You strongly suggested to us that we put the Rotax in the Shockwave chassis. After we said we would you said you would rebuild the engine to get more RPM and speed. You said you had a process that allowed the crank to turn more freely in the cases. I don?t remember the details of how you said you did that but you had me come over to Greg?s kart so you could show me how freely the crank moved back and forth in the cases. You said, ?It eats pistons but it sure is fast.? It blows me away that you would now deny this and try to turn it around on me. I have no reason to lie. I have no vendetta or any kind of ill will toward you. I have supported you, your company and your products. What has driven you off the deep end?
For you to call me a liar to cover up your lies is lower than low. You have lost my respect.
Best of luck,
LarryDoug,
I?m not sure what has you wound up. :idn: I?m having a hard time figuring out where you are coming from.
First, I have not made any insinuations. If you will re-read my post you will note how I explained that different engines work differently and how that can lead to great racing like we saw yesterday. I have nothing but praise about how the racing went yesterday. However, for you to imply that all engines are equal and do not make a difference is ridiculous. I doubt anyone at Tag USA ever intended to make all engines equal but rather to try and level the playing field through weights and other restrictions. It is a nice concept but will never be perfect. I gladly accept that. When people go beyond stock engines (blueprinting, etc.) they upset the balance that Tag USA attempted to reach. If that came through in my post than fine but it was never a main point.
Secondly, I have not stated or implied that ?blueprinting? engines has ?messed up the racing.? Again, that was not one of the points of my post but certainly is a topic worthy of discussion. I simply suggested, in parenthesis, that not all motors are stock, period. Nothing more. I can not even begin to believe why you are stating that it doesn?t happen (?All of the engines were stock?) or that it doesn?t make a difference. A couple of cases come to mind that prove otherwise.
1.) You have stated yourself on this and other forums many times how you think a Rotax is a better choice at some tracks and not as good a choice on other tracks based on the track configuration. Again, it goes without saying. 2.) Greg told me point blank how you did all you could do to get his Leopard up to speed in OK at the Stars race and couldn?t. You switched to Zippie?s spare Leopard and immediately gained a half second. The point is simple ? engines do make a difference! Obviously, there are many other factors when it comes to racing. 3.) Several times you have asked me to bring my Rotax engine in so you can machine the cases so the main bearings will slide back and forth so the crank can spin more freely and get more RPM and, therfore, more speed. You showed me a couple of the engines you have done that to. I?ve made no judgment or statement about that activity but have been unwilling to do that because I, personally, find that to be against the spirit and intent of sealed engine racing. Just, maybe, that is why you guys blow up engines so frequently (last two weekends if I remember correctly) and I?m still on my original Rotax engine (one ring change in 3 years and dozens of races).
If you want to discuss this further and in more detail than let?s start a new post. It is worthy of discussion. However, your tangent has nothing to do with my original post.
Remember to keep it FUN. :cheers:
