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Sorry Rich for taking this subject slightly off topic. I’m still interested in a class.
As for “depletion mode ignition systems” I still have my doubts but trust the feedback from your personal experiences. I’ve never owned a race car, although my son plans to change that down the road. I saw a recent post where someone had a problem with a Rotax. He got lots of replies including battery replacement suggestions so it doesn’t appear bullet proof. But hey, if its good enough for NASCAR and other folks far more talented than I then it should be good enough for me and my family.
As for removing mags in the 80’s for more horsepower… sounds a little like the motorcycle guys who used to pull the baffles out of the tuned exhaust systems for more power. Results – detuned engines that made more noise. 😀
As a newbie I expressed interest because I’m hungry for any information. However, I’m concerned that the class you have outlined is exclusively Rotax orientated. Do you have any interest in broadening the scope? Or does anyone else have an interest in offering a new driver general orientation type of course?
BTW, I did get my first kart – a barely used TaG kart with a Leopard engine. I’m still on the fence on what to get my sons. While leaning toward Rotax I’m concerned about an engine that doesn’t produce its own power for iginition or charging. I’ve owned over 100 motorcycles, cars, trucks and tractors and have never seen such a design. Seems devious to me. 😯
Rich,
Thanks for the personal comments. And a heads up on the first concrete date in 2005! CSC please take note.
http://www.ekartingnews.com has results posted.
congrats to all the drivers from CO.
$25 dinner with an open bar? Holy Smoke, I bet they lose money on most of the non-designated drivers! I’ll have to bring my kids to help the company make up the difference.
Add another. From my perspective the Mini Max would be the best solution for at least one of my sons next year.
Above “dnew” writes, “MiniMax under the same condition (sea level) produces: 13.4Hp @ 8500rpm and 9 ft-lbs of torque @ 7500rpm.” This according to the manufacture’s web site.
Magnus,
I’m in the same boat with you. I also have two sons (10 and 12 year olds) that want to get into karing next year. What class to place the 12 year old in is the challenge. There is talk that the Jr 2 class may not run next year and the Jr Tag is way too fast for a beginner. Either the current or faster Jr 2 class or a slower Jr Tag class would be very appealling.
I also think CRE has a great setup that takes alot of the confusion away. However, the CSC with it’s multiple venues is very attractive. In my best senario the CSC gets it’s class arrangements figured out this Fall with a solution for new 12 year olds and adds CRE and the Track at Centennial. I understand this ties up a lot of dates and will make it difficult for the tracks to have a full schedule of their own but it sure would be racer friendly. I, for one, would dedicate all my non CSC race weekends to a local track in support of their program.
Since the Jr 1 is already one of the larger classes and runs a good pace it seems to me that it should be left alone and attention should be given to the Jr 2 class. If the minimax truly has more than 50% greater HP than the animal perhaps it, along with other modifications to other engines should be allowed in the Jr 2 class. This would also help address the lack of progression that current exist going from Jr 1 to Jr 2. Have the Jr 1 run with the current crop of engines that seem to be less than 10 HP and allow Jr 2 to run new (minimax) or modified engines with, say, up to perhaps the 15 HP range. If the Jr Tag were limited to around 20 HP, Sr Tag to where they are today, then you have a nice progression that is adding about 50% more power with each step. Kids on a faster track can skip some of the progression. Am I missing something?
Angie,
That sounds excellent. I wish you all the best in getting over the hurdles that lie ahead. I, for one, will do what I can to be supportive and helpful.
This is precisely the kind of thing that drives someone new to the sport mad. I hate to say anything because I am new. However, it should seem clear to everyone that once an event is done it is done. There can’t be all this bickering days later. It serves no purpose but to tarnish and undermine accomplishments that kids have made (the kids are having fun but the parents are arguing). There should be an appropriate opportunity at each and every event to handle all issues, protest, etc. All those issues need to be settled THAT DAY. Right or wrong, the decisions are final. It would be appropriate, however, to have all the follow up needed to disucss changes in rules, procedures to prevent previous mistakes, consider new learnings, and such but not the second guessing of decisions made at an event that is done.
I sure hope that the “new and improving” CSC organization can do something to minimize these grey areas before my kids have to experience it. In this particular case, how can someone who is warned but not DQ’d at one event be DQ’d at another event? The application of rules and standards can’t be different from one venue to the next. If the circumstances are the same and you are warned at one event then you are warned at every event; if DQ’d at one event then DQ’d at every event. Consistency is the name of the game.
Thanks for the perspective. It is very well articulated and you raise a good point. In thinking about the motorcycling and karting industries one of the clear differences is the lack of large manufactures in karting. Certainly, the AMA would not be what it is without the vast support they get from the manufactures. I?m personally aware of the huge amount of time, resources and energy the manufactures put into motorcycling. The AMA (and it has problems too) would not be successful without the support of both the manufactures and motorcyclists. It makes sense that without the support of large, profitable manufactures it will be nearly impossible to create a single organization strong enough to drive the future of karting in the USA.
I also wasn?t aware that the market for karting was so small. I think I read somewhere recently that there are about 100,000 karters in the USA. Gee, the AMA?s membership alone is two and half times that. The other thing that baffles me, given the size of the market, is the number of different national organizations. I?ve already come across the following organizations: WKA, IKF, Stars, KART, RMAX, SKUSA, TaG USA, ROK, IRA. And I?ve just started looking into this. I suspect that until/unless there is a major shake-out AND a huge infusion of new karters that the goal of having more widespread conformity is still a bit of wishful thinking. Unitl then, I guess we need to enjoy and appreciate what we have while striving toward continuous improvement.
