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Re: Spec Moto?
by p herrmann on Wed 01 9, 2008 11:28 amRicky dude, what happpens when all those containers of 10 years old parts dwindle away. Honda isn’t keep making the old stuff for every
This was beat to death a fews years back on the Ekn forums. The crisis was; this new class that was supposed to be affordable, equal and good performance but parts were obsolete and unavailable. Turns out the supply chain was bolstered.
If you’re worried about what to do with your spec honda in a few years. Do the same thing you did with your Tm. Sell it.
Again, I’m not trying to take anything away from the other classes. Just trying to look down the road a little ways. And get the shifter racing back to a kck a$$ status. I would like to see the pits empty out to watch the gear grabbers run. It can happen.
My goal this year is to put a significant effort towards making the Csc rock and helping wherever I can. I’ll throw my body at it for a year, and if helps, great! If not, I tried. And good tight racing with reasonable fields are a needed component.
Rick
http://www.ekartingnews.com/viewtopic.php?t=65860&highlight=
Perry,
Read this thread…
Then go back and read it again.
Some of the best in the country giving some interesting information on these motors. What do you think? How does this compare with what you’ve been running? And what you may be running in the future? No slouches on this thread! Giving us some enlightening and straight information?
Re: Spec Moto?
Post by p herrmann on Wed 01 9, 2008 11:28 am
Ricky dude, what happpens when all those containers of 10 years old parts dwindle away. Honda isn’t keep making the old stuff for every ❓Looks like those containers are going to dwindle pretty damn slowly. Doesn’t it? Get 1600 – 3000 miles out of your previous package?
Chris Hegar
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Mid 2006 threw 2007 and on to 2008 with the same bottom end bearings. RLV pipe only accept for the RCE @ the USKGP one month ago. Lots of road race miles, probably 3 pistons total in that time just because. Love the package.Ever heard of this guy? He is the “Alan Rudolf, Gary Carlton, Alex Speed” of road racing. Looks like has run his motor for a bit, doesn’t it? And is getting ready to start a new season on the same bottom end and feeling pretty comfortable about it. Hum… Pretty sure he could go through his bottom end every ten gallons of fuel (2-3 weekends or whenever he wants) if he felt it necessary and he could probably get someone else to pay for it.
Hum…
I pushed a Rotax that far once, it made it and I was scared to death! Pretty amazing huh?
You may save enough to add some “performance enhancing” items to that Camaro with the money you’ll save. That never gets you in trouble, does it?
Rick
Ok, ok, Ricky dude,
They last for ever and there will be parts and engines into the next millenum!
So how many stock honda heavys will be on the track this year?
The Camaro goes plenty fast enough, although someone thinks I need a Harley.
I am still very much on the fence and with the season not really starting until late June, I have some time.Perry
From speaking to various racers and shops, we’ll have at least half a dozen Spec Moto Heavies to start with, and they’re all quality drivers so it will be a challenge. It’s a logical next step for the numerous TaG Master drivers, so I expect Spec Moto Heavy to quickly grow in size. With high performance, low maintenance, and banging gears, what’s not to like?
Charles
by p herrmann on Thu 01 10, 2008 10:32 am
Ok, ok, Ricky dude,
They last for ever and there will be parts and engines into the next millenum!
So how many stock honda heavys will be on the track this year?
The Camaro goes plenty fast enough, although someone thinks I need a Harley.
I am still very much on the fence and with the season not really starting until late June, I have some time.Perry
Ok Perry Dude,
They may not last forever but do have a pretty good track record. As far as how many? Looks like 6-7 at this point. But there has been quite bit of interest in seeing “who else is doing it” type of thing. The amount of interest is encouraging and the quality level will be good.
My Dads neighbor down in Lake Havasu is Kenne Bell. He makes a bad blower for those things. Works very well with the computer motors!
A harley? I think you need one too. They make a blower for those too. Get a Street Glide and I’ll make it a Fat Bagger for you. Then throw a Gunslinger paint job on her! Next thing you’ll be growing your hair out!!!
Yea, you do have a while. We would like to start getting some track time early spring though. Don’t really have to worry about racking up time on the motor before race season. May even go do a So Cal race or something. They have some pretty good ones out there.
I’m sure whatever you decide will be a good way to go Perry. Just pulling your chain a little.
Rick
Two bald guys poking fun at each other. What a great silly season we are having.
Rickey Boobie,
Put the darn kart together with Matty’s old worn out motor and get some lap times posted. Those times should bring in some old ICC pilots lookin for some bang for buck. That bottom end has two more seasons on her and ran with the big dogs in Vegas. Too bad the kid needed 68lbs of led attached to the seat just to make it even.
Don’t piss Perry off, he has friends…..But he does not need a Harley.
@Rick Schmidt wrote:
How bout a Harley Masters class?
Something like a dual 4 stroke Hog class.
Grease the Pig and go.Ok, here i go again. The spec honda will last forever, i know that, raced one years ago and then went to a TM ICC.
I want to race this year, although it would be great to be in a class that has more than six or seven karts show. Three years ago there were as many as eighteen G1s. Not so many anymore. But there was also one hundred and sixty karts at a CSC Race. Not so many anymore.
There are now four classes for just old or heavy guys, (I am an old guy and a heavy guy) TAG Masters, DD2 Heavy, Spec Honda Heavy, and G1.
Are there that many old guys or heavy guys to warrant four classes?
Ricky dude what do you think?
Mr Kistler maybe you can help answer this for me?by p herrmann on Thu 01 17, 2008 7:39 am
Ok, here i go again. The spec honda will last forever, i know that, raced one years ago and then went to a TM ICC.
I want to race this year, although it would be great to be in a class that has more than six or seven karts show. Three years ago there were as many as eighteen G1s. Not so many anymore. But there was also one hundred and sixty karts at a CSC Race. Not so many anymore.
There are now four classes for just old or heavy guys, (I am an old guy and a heavy guy) TAG Masters, DD2 Heavy, Spec Honda Heavy, and G1.
Are there that many old guys or heavy guys to warrant four classes?
Ricky dude what do you think?
Mr Kistler maybe you can help answer this for me?You forgot 4-Stroke Heavy and Rotax Masters.
I agree with you. It looks like there is a little transition going on here and across the country, (as far as karting goes) and maybe a necessary one. Certainly not the first time it’s happened in the history of karting. We would all be running West Bends otherwise.
A lot of the “hot bed” regions are going towards spec classes. Not sure which way ours will go, but it evolve either way.
You want the biggest class? It’s going to be Tag Masters and a toss up between the Club series and the Csc.
The closest racing will be….?
In my opinion, I do believe the 4-Stroke and Spec Honda classes will grow and be the place to race, in the future. It may take a year or two to build, and I could be totally wrong. We’ll see.
Mr Kistler is a wealth of information :joker I’m sure he can help you.
I’ll be running in G-1 this year and I dont care if it is Adcock and my self. I’m taking that #1 plate away from that boy.
Also, for the individuals who have been asking me if I know where there are any Spec Honda’s available. I have found a few. Look below. They are also available from many kart shops. Happy shopping.
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by Mike Cunningham on Thu 01 17, 2008 12:20 pm
I’ll be running in G-1 this year and I dont care if it is Adcock and my self. I’m taking that #1 plate away from that boy.
Well…if Adcock doesn’t race, you have a chance!!! 😉
Here is my opinion for what it’s worth.
Rick has been around as long as I can remember. He and Roman have raced in just about every class available, and in every series available that fit’s into their yearly budget. We were in the same boat, racing everything possible just to find a good sized field with good talent. Last November we all attended the Supernationals and witnessed some of the best spec racing ever produced at a world class event. Rick and Roman fell in love with the size of the fields, talent levels and cost of racing in the spec moto field. He is desperetly trying to grow a field of “Shifter” karts here in CO that will enable them to go back to Vegas and compete, and represent CO. It’s a no brainer that the Supernationals is the best karting event in North America, and many of us in CO set our sights on that event for our year end party and in our case, our Swan Song in karting. It would make sense that everyone he referenced in his original post look into Heavy Spec, or S4, for this years class. Doc, Stacey, Sam, Jim, Roman, Perry, Patrick, Mike C, Neff, and a host of other CO shifter pilots could have won in Vegas! I saw the race, and trust me, we have some of the best G1/S4 pilots in the country. IMHO, it would make total sense to build the class within the CSC and get back into a class with a 15 car field. The motor speaks for itself as far as lap times vs cost goes. The parts are easy to find, and the darn thing is easy to tune, unlike a Rotax or ICC. After comparing notes with Keenan all year, we were both 25-50% off our jetting at any race, and yet Matt and Keenan were on each other bumpers all season. I am sure Eddie O, Brandon and Tracy will attest to the same findings if asked.
Nothing against the DD2 program, or the ICC package. They both are fast and fun, but they are diluting the field counts. If you aspire to head out to the party in November you should look hard into the S4 package.
Stacey had the best idea of the year so far as well. Why don’t everyone from CO pitch a big tent in Vegas this year and have a week long party worth talking about. That is what this sport should be about. If all you old G1 CSC guys got together this season to race against each other in S4 it would be epic. For those of you who have never attended the Supernats, you will never know how much fun you are missing until you head out and attempt it. I wish I could elaborate, but what happens in Vegas……
Once again, that is my personal opinion, not the opinion of the CSC, Rick or any track. Come on Perry, I know a bunch of stocker speed secrets that I will only share with you.
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