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Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by blink on Thu 12 13, 2007 2:01 pmRick,
I believe the two day race suggestion was for the 5 race series to remain the same but done in two days instead of one. I do not think they were wanting one weekend to count as two races.
Well…Leave it to me to stick my chest out about something I’ve mis interpretted! Must be the steroids?
But why not. 1 weekend equals 2 races? We have racers who say they have a professional life to maintain and would not race a 2 day weekend event, But suggests taking a weekday off of work / school to practice? I don’t get it? Same people who were practicing at Gjms on Saturday before the Sunday race anyway?
3 weekends a year with a full race Saturday and Sunday. After we’re done on (at 3:00) Saturday we could have a big pot luck and barbeque, limbo, mud wrestling or whatever.The rest of the year is for Club and Rotax. The 3 weekends are more of an show! We could easily set aside 3 weekends to run a 6 race series. And maybe travel to a few races, work on my house, take a vacation etc… It would free up 6 potential revenue days for You, Stacey and Jim.
Blink, just seems like the Csc is loosing some of it’s lustre. I hate to see it happen. Would like to see some kind of effort getting this series back to the regard it was once held. We were heading towards the same esteem as series like Gatorz, Prokart, Nor Cal and so on. Now just seems like a second series running nearly parallel with club series. Doesn’t mean as much.
I know the decisions have been made. But feel compelled to express my dreams for Colorado karting. If I’m off on the wrong tangent, I’m off on the wrong tangent!
Just my thoughts
Rick
CSC EVENT:
FRI:GROUPED PRACTICE & RENTALS. TEST & TUNE FEE!
SAT:(NO RENTALS)
8:00-10:00 GROUPED PRACTICE
10:00-12:30 QUALIFY
12:30-1:00 LUNCH FOR “QUALITY” STAFF,TECH DIRECTOR & CORNER WORKERS
1:00-4:00 HEAT RACE 1 (AVG 10-15 LAPS)
4:00- TILL CLOSE GROUPED PRACTICESUN:
7:30-8:00 ENGINE BREAK-IN
8:00-11:00 HEAT RACE 2 (AVG-10-15 LAPS) INCLUDING KID KART & JR1/K80 MAINS (THROPHYS @ LUNCH)
11:00-12:00 LUNCH FOR “QUALITY” STAFF,TECH DIRECTOR & CORNER WORKERS
12:00-4:00 MAINS: 15-25 LAPS FOR REMAINING GROUPSCOST OF 2 DAY EVENT: $250
REWARDS FOR MORE RACING: PRICELESS!I don’t have a problem with running 2 CSC race events in one weekend, I only have a problem running one race in two days and having to pay twice the expenses.
I totally disagree with a race streched out over 2 days. Why would we want to strech something out over 2 days, that we have learned to have completed by mid afternoon? A race a day for 2 days back to back. Sure well go home tired. But a third of our season will bo ever in one weekend. We could do it. Make the last race at Gjms and make one day double points. Get the entries. Get some fire going under this thing. Have some time for the rest of our lifes. Or other races or whatever.
As far as how we race….it’s fine. The classes are fine. How the day is run is fine. Tech needs improvement. But most everything else if fine.
Brad and others…..I’m sorry I didn’t explain it better, My bad.
2 CSC races in one week-end.
Mikey :oOo
Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by Kart45 on Thu 12 13, 2007 3:14 pmBrad and others…..I’m sorry I didn’t explain it better, My bad.
2 CSC races
See Brad, See!!!!
I like Rick’s and Mikey’s idea. Just like the PMT of old and Stars of new. Three race weekends, one complete day each day. Go ahead and allow one drop. It means in actuality each event becomes a 3 day as Friday will be practice. But all 3 events could be in the summer so as to minimize kids missing school.
It just might be the ticket to make the CSC events huge again.
No racing org, schedule, classes, etc.. will ever completely satisfy the masses. Good luck.
My only suggestion for the CSC is to keep your Race director, Tech director, and Starter consistent from one race to the other. It is my personal opinion that this is where the CSC lacks. Dennis Z. and Angie are the only thing consistent (except when Dennis got hurt and didnt go to GJ). If these three people are front range folks, the only CSC expense outside of paying these key officials will be lodging in GJ. I’m sure Stacey can pitch a tent or something on the 8th and 9th tee boxes for them!! 😀
Best of luck to all.
BR
Where do I sign? I love the idea of a Stars style weekend for all the reasons already mentioned. The idea that the CSC would have more panache so to speak, is what the series needs IMO. I’m obviously not a track owner, so I’m not sure how it would effect them either good or bad, but like was mentioned it would free up more rental/corporate days as well.
Brandon Anderson
http://www.reactionkarting.comQuote Doug Welch Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by Doug Welch on Thu 12 13, 2007 4:25 pmI like Rick’s and Mikey’s idea. Just like the PMT of old and Stars of new. Three race weekends, one complete day each day. Go ahead and allow one drop. It means in actuality each event becomes a 3 day as Friday will be practice. But all 3 events could be in the summer so as to minimize kids missing school.
It just might be the ticket to make the CSC events huge again.
I agree with Doug. And I would do anything within my power to make it a special 3 weekends. Helping with barbeque, help to set up a raffle with some goodies from our shops ( Gunslingers stuff is cool! Right Brian?) and vendors, maybe get a little support from the kart shops to raffle goods. Maybe some activities for the little ones. Keep it in the summer. Considering the National races, Ama, The Rock…. Would be much easier to schedule around conflicts. Wouldn’t this be easier for the West Slopers and Utah gang? Maybe attract some more out of town racers in the proccess. 3 trips for 6 events vs 6 trips for 6 events. Has anybody seen fuel prices lately? I don’t think everyone is considering the good of the whole in a closed door meeting.
Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by Brian Robson on Thu 12 13, 2007 4:42 pmNo racing org, schedule, classes, etc.. will ever completely satisfy the masses. Good luck.
My only suggestion for the CSC is to keep your Race director, Tech director, and Starter consistent from one race to the other. It is my personal opinion that this is where the CSC lacks. Dennis Z. and Angie are the only thing consistent (except when Dennis got hurt and didnt go to GJ). If these three people are front range folks, the only CSC expense outside of paying these key officials will be lodging in GJ. I’m sure Stacey can pitch a tent or something on the 8th and 9th tee boxes for them!!
Best of luck to all.
BR
And this is something that some of racers have discussed already. But were waiting to table at the meeting. (Does it still matter what we think?)
I agree with Brian as well.
These are my thoughts. Without talking to the respective parties, of course.
How about Curt Kistler as a race director? Matt is going to school and they are taking a year off. He has a great knowledge of what we do, is fair, ran the best display of safety at a race, I’ve seen (1st GGP) Has a trailer that would make a nice mobile headquarters, corner worker lounge, timing. And… works cheap.
Also. I think Brian Robson would be an awesome tech director. Basically grown up in this racing game. Not sure if he is a full on engine guy. But not sure you have to be (I love tearing things apart, I don’t have to put together) and with a little help and some tools / equipment. He would be awesome. I’ve seen him work the Supnationals. (You could help build the track with him for 3 days, drink beer with him every night.. but, by God, if you don’t have your wrinst band, you not getting on the frigging grid!) A little guidance from Brad and Doug. And random area’s of tech focus. It could be good.
Don’t know what everyone else thinks, or if he’s interested, but, Bobby has done one hell of a job. And has gotten better with age.
Maybe these individuals would have no interest. They are just the ones I would try to get if it was my decision. They all have passion for the sport. Not just a hired hand. The culture of our sport is important and these individuals are all about charachter.
Someone mentioned a title sponsor. That would be awesome to provide some of the “speecial” part of setting the Csc apart. We have some very resourse full people in our group. How bout going after someone to support us. There must be some benefits for them too. Even if it’s tax related. Seesman has a sunglass company. We need something. Mazda, Crocs, Coors (ummm beer) Something. Someone much smarter than me should be able to come up with something.
The Csc needs a shot in the arm! When you have local racers just thinking about dabbling a little here and there and not committing to a local series because its gone a little flat. You need to look at it.
I think the track owners should listen to the customers. Not to revamp the whole damn thing, just to make customers happy and to keep them coming back. Stop this “average karter stays in the sport for 2 years”, or whatever it is. Seems to me some of the series that are having success (Gatorz, Prokart) are listening to their customers, at least to a degree, and not having the track owners decide the future behind closed doors.
I don’t think it should kiss everyones a$$ or try to cater to every whim. But if there are racers who have constructive input and aren’t heard, they may loose interest and choose another series or just give up altogether. Shame for the benevolent dictator then. this is not F1. It’s easy to say you want one. It’s also easy to gripe later about it. It’s even easier to offer no constructive input on what was once a series heading towards being one of the best in the country. It still could be.
Sorry about all the spelling errors. My spell check is off again. Where’s Roman?
Rick
I can definitely see the merit in going to a two day race format but I’m still against it. My plans and budget for the summer are set for racing. If we limit it to three weekends the cost will be the same with a lot less racing. This also potentially puts people out of the running if they can’t make a weekend. I’m stoked to run CSC next year simply because it is a state series. I’d never drive all the way to Grand Junction unless it was part of this state series. I was stretched to run 12 club races last year and a six race format with an odd club race thrown in sounds perfect to me. I plan to run 6-10 races spread out over the summer. The CSC still has it’s “special draw” because I’ll race in it no matter what format is chosen. I’d just prefer to have my racing spread out so I don’t pour everything into three weekends a year. Let’s keep the fun spread out!!
Quote apsdsmracer Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by apsdsmracer on Thu 12 13, 2007 6:00 pm
I can definitely see the merit in going to a two day race format but I’m still against it.Probably wouldn’t be if you were from Grand Junction, So Colorado or Utah etc… We want to most competitors to race against
by apsdsmracer on Thu 12 13, 2007 6:00 pm
My plans and budget for the summer are set for racing. If we limit it to three weekends the cost will be the same with a lot less racing. This also potentially puts people out of the running if they can’t make a weekend.Seems most of the single day events have a good number of racers there the day before to get ready anyway, making a weekend out of it. The cost will be the same? Not sure what your towing your gear with Dave. But it cost me quite a bit to haul over the hill in fuel alone. Once over is certainly cheaper than twice over.
Quote apsdsmracer Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by apsdsmracer on Thu 12 13, 2007 6:00 pm
I’d never drive all the way to Grand Junction unless it was part of this state series.Some of the nicest people and best tracks anywhere! We like to support them! We would go over even if the Csc went defunct.
Quote apsdsmracer Re: Karter meeting following the banquet
by apsdsmracer on Thu 12 13, 2007 6:00 pmI was stretched to run 12 club races last year and a six race format with an odd club race thrown in sounds perfect to me. I plan to run 6-10 races spread out over the summer. The CSC still has it’s “special draw” because I’ll race in it no matter what format is chosen. I’d just prefer to have my racing spread out so I don’t pour everything into three weekends a year. Let’s keep the fun spread out!!
It would still be a 6 race series, that would probably cost you less money and why can’t you stretch your racing out over the summer?
Against a drop too? Be careful. Vewy vewy careful!
Rick
Title sponsor ideas….
1. Remax, Dave Linager(sp?) is a real gear head. I’ve never met him maybe someone knows him…..Help anyone!!
I don’t know how much were talking but $5000.00 would go along way as seed money.
Mikey
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