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Just curious if it is legal in the CSC and club races to have a blueprinted motor in TAG, ala Norcal specs.
Cool……is there anyway to check to see if it has or not? I’ve heard (on ekartingnews) that a blueprinted motor within specs would be able to be teched and pass. Just curious, as I’ve been looking on there as these Norcal guys talk. Thanks!
A Norcal Leopard will have a different shape in the head when compared to stock. There will also be different squish measurements. They should be easy to catch if you know what your looking for.
But the gains are not significant for most drivers. It is easy to be fooled in thinking a guy/gal has a hot motor if they come off the corners faster than another driver. A chassis that is rolling free will get the power down much qucker and carry much more momentum than a chassis/driver that is not. The difference can easily be 4 to 5 kart lengths. This will translate into 3 or 4 mph down the straight. I hear it all the time, “Its the motor” when in fact its the chassis/driver.
Untill we have a method of teching them fast chassis’s and driver’s, we will have to use the next best thing that gives the slow chassis and driver confidence that they aren’t being screwed by a fast guy with a wild card in their motor. It’s called performing complete tech on the fast guys motors.
The fast chassis and driver should be thankfull that we aren’t going to penilize them for being too fast of driver with too good of a chassis. We just need to be shure they don’t have too good of a motor. They should be proud to have complete tech performed on their motor which proves they are the fast driver with a good chassi. It is a very small penelty for being so good and fast, also very nessasary to keep the rest of the slower drivers with slower chassis’s coming back for more.
A small price to pay for being too fast. Maybe instead of tech we should just call it “TOO FAST TAX”.
YA, a TAX on the fastest racers. Now that’s an American standard we are use too.In 7 races how many shapes of heads were easily looked at?
Do ya think sealed or spec classes should have a post race chassi and driver tech? I wouldn’t want them winners to miss out on the TOO FAST TAX :bs: The Racers that lost could raid the winners kart with dial indicaters and yeild strength testers, demand all data gathered during the event and make the driver spill their guts about getten er done. Then the racers could vote to rebate or audit the winners seal.
Sorry for the blather, too much Coffee and not enough karting for me.
I was at the Rotax Grands this two weeks ago. As you guys know, all Rotaxes are sealed. The head of tech was Scott Evens, well know in karting as very, very through tech. He has found many non-compliant karts in his role as tech director for Stars. He goes over chassis as well as motor. He has found racers non-compliant for simple things like radiator height.
During the entire event, many, many engines were torn down as well as many more were checked through less evasive methods like I have long championed short of tear down.
End result, NOT ONE SINGLE engine was found to be out of compliance.
The racing was incredibly close. In the international class qualifying, 43 karts in a field of 67 was within 1 second of pole! In junior, 34 of 49 were within 1 second! There were a total of 3 dq is qualifying and one in the mains, all for weight. While Sunday’s rain in the main events jumbled things a bit, during the dry heat races, the karts were literally one long snake going around the track. It was without a doubt, the best racing I’ve seen in many, many years.
Anyone who claims the Rotax program is suspect doesn’t have a clue or facts to back them up. For Rotax, the seal really is the deal.
Doug,
Did you guys race?
I have always seen being in post race tech/tear down as a badge of honor.
We have found that once the racer understands that post race tech is likely they learn to expect it and be ready to get it done in a timely manor.Just like anything else the tech staff having a plan for the race day (what classes and they want to look at) and changing it up week in and week out has proven effective.
No Rich, we did not race. I was there solo helping customers. I really wish we were racing it and who knows, if they do what they are talking about concerning tires, maybe we will. I must have talked with 50 or 60 different customers and I was in most of the tents on front row (and back row for that matter). Every mini-max in the top 5 qualifying had our axles in them.
The one thing that stuck out was is that it is mostly privatiers. While there were big tents, it was the guys from a particular track or series that went together and got a tent. The factory guys were there, but like me, they were just helping customers. The plane out Sunday night was full of many friends who were there doing just what I did. A plane full of go kart guys, how cool is that. There were conversations going on everywhere!
If a person only has time for one or two big deal events in a year, I would heartly recommend doing the Rotax Grands. I’m going to hang on to a Rotax just in case we decide to do it next year.
@Doug Welch wrote:
I was at the Rotax Grands this two weeks ago. As you guys know, all Rotaxes are sealed. The head of tech was Scott Evens, well know in karting as very, very through tech. He has found many non-compliant karts in his role as tech director for Stars. He goes over chassis as well as motor. He has found racers non-compliant for simple things like radiator height.
.Scott,
Thanks for giving me a call and pointing out my misperception of the KK bodywork rules.@Doug Welch wrote:
A Norcal Leopard will have a different shape in the head when compared to stock. There will also be different squish measurements. They should be easy to catch if you know what your looking for.
But the gains are not significant for most drivers. It is easy to be fooled in thinking a guy/gal has a hot motor if they come off the corners faster than another driver. A chassis that is rolling free will get the power down much qucker and carry much more momentum than a chassis/driver that is not. The difference can easily be 4 to 5 kart lengths. This will translate into 3 or 4 mph down the straight. I hear it all the time, “Its the motor” when in fact its the chassis/driver.
I totally agree chassis and driver are WAY more important than motor…..I was just curious since a lot of the Norcal guys think they have to blueprint to be fast, etc. Some guys have told me a few stock leopards have won races at Infineon against blueprinted motors though.
How do you get the chassis to roll more “free”?
@kcl wrote:
24.7.3 Driver Fairing- Driver fairing must be of CIK style and material is optional. Maximum width of panel is 9?. No part of the fairing may be higher than the top of the steering wheel.
I know one CIK rule that almost every kart on the CSC grid could be dq’ed for. Do you guys know which one it is?
Personally I think it’s a stupid rule but then again, it’s CIK! 😯
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