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- December 27, 2006 at 9:14 pm #41834
Kirk Deason
Participant2006 weights:
Engine………………………… WKA TaG.. TaG Sr….. TaG Mstr… TaG Hvy
Biland Stealth old exh……… n/a lbs…. 370 lbs….. 400 lbs….. 415 lbs
Biland Stealth new exh……. n/a……… 375………. 405………. 420
BM Jaguar…………………….. 355…….. 360………. 390………. 405
Comer………………………… 385…….. 390……….. 420………. 435
EasyKart………………………. 355…….. 360………. 390………. 405
Italsistem ML47H……………. 385…….. 370……….. 400………. 415
Motori Seven…………………. n/a……… 360………. 390………. 405
Parilla Leopard………………. 355……… 360………. 390………. 405
PRD fireball……………………. 355…….. 360………. 390………. 405
Rotax FR125…………………… 350……… 360……… 390………. 405
Sonik TX125…………………… 385……… 390………. 420………. 435
Sonik VX125…………………… 375……… 390………. 420………. 435
Vortex Rok……………………… 355…….. 360………. 390………. 4052007 weights:
Engine………………………… WKA TaG.. TaG Sr….. TaG Mstr… TaG Hvy
Biland Stealth ………………. n/a lbs…. 390 lbs….. 420 lbs….. 435 lbs
Comer………………………… 385…….. 390……….. 420………. 435
Motori Seven…………………. n/a……… 370………. 400………. 415
Parilla Leopard………………. 355……… 360………. 390………. 405
PRD fireball……………………. 355…….. 360………. 390………. 405
Rotax FR125…………………… 350…….. 360………. 400………. 415
Sonik TX125…………………… 385…….. 390………. 420………. 435
Vortex Rok…………………….. 355…….. 360………. 390………. 405
ATK…………………………………………….390………..400………..415
PCR…………………………………………….400………..400………..415
CRS 125………………………………………390………..420…………435
Super ROK…………………………………………………………………440So uhhh, does this mean I get to race this summer with NO WEIGHT on my Easykart? :idn: Or does one take a skeptical view and say that Easykart didn’t pay a homologation fee and thus the removal from the ‘approved’ list?
I assume I’ll still be able to race at last year’s weight, correct?
December 27, 2006 at 10:04 pm #55864Tom Dennin
ParticipantHere is the questions I have:
1) Why did the Rotax weight get increased 10lbs and the Leopard weight stay the same? The leopard was either superior or even at all tracks.
2) In 2006, the biland with new and old exhaust were differentiated by weight. Now in 2007, TAGUSA only has one weight for both? and they increased the weight by 15lbs?
Tom
December 27, 2006 at 10:26 pm #55865David Watkins
ParticipantI have the same question. Why was the weight increased for Biland? There are now three versions with each version making more power. Why would the original lower H.P. version suffer a weight increase? Will the CSC follow these weights?
December 27, 2006 at 10:43 pm #55866Jon Romenesko
Participant@Tom Dennin wrote:
Here is the questions I have:
1) Why did the Rotax weight get increased 10lbs and the Leopard weight stay the same? The leopard was either superior or even at all tracks
Yeah, what gives?! I certainly don’t like that… 😕
December 28, 2006 at 1:26 am #55867Joe Rosse
ParticipantAnd it makes even less sense for TaG Junior. Rotaxes (in Junior configuration) were at a disadvantage at last year’s weights, and now they’re adding 10 pounds to the Rotax Jr. and keeping the Leopard at the same weight??? You’d have to be crazy to race a Rotax in the Junior class!
December 28, 2006 at 1:36 am #55868Tom Dennin
ParticipantInstead of a TAG classs, why don’t we just call it a spec Leopard class? 😆
December 28, 2006 at 1:43 am #55869hotwheels1517
ParticipantSince the motor does not make a big difference and it’s all about driver and kart setup why are the weights differen’t? While im on that subject why do some racers have more than one engine package for there respective classes? So confusing 😕
Brian Moore
December 28, 2006 at 1:53 am #55870Greg Welch
ParticipantEven though it is mainly kart and driver, it is nice not to start at a disadvantage. I have this feeling though that the weights will be back to 06 specs fairly soon 😉
December 28, 2006 at 1:55 am #55871Doug Welch
ParticipantI just received an email from Marty Casey with TagUSA. The Rotax weights will be back to ’06 weights as soon as the web mistress gets it done.
December 28, 2006 at 2:11 am #55872Kirk Deason
ParticipantThanks for the correction, Doug. I edited my post to reflect the corrected Rotax weight at 360.
December 28, 2006 at 4:01 am #55873jj
ParticipantIt seems strange to me that the Leopard is rated around 23hp while Rotax claims 27 hp, yet peole want to let the Rotax run at the same weight. ???
the whole point of having weight differences is to make up for differences in BHP and either Rotax is not putting out what they claim, or they should have a weight penalty to even things out. this should be easy to check on a dyno.December 28, 2006 at 5:55 am #55874cgordon
ParticipantPeak hp is not the only indicator of an engine’s performance. On the dyno sheets I saw, the Rotax was the peakiest of the TaG engines. The Rotax may have the highest peak hp, but only over a relatively short rpm range. The other TaG motors have much flatter power curves, so they are stronger at lower rpm ranges.
The maximum rpm that an engine can turn also affects performance. Some of the other TaG motors turn more rpm than the Rotax, so on a track with a wide range of speeds shorter gearing can be run on those motors for the slow corners and they still won’t run out of revs on the straight.
Finally, on track results are a real performance indicator. We saw several different types of engines running up front this year. If the Rotax was dominant everybody would be switching to it, and that certainly wasn’t the case.
Charles
December 28, 2006 at 7:46 am #55875Brad Linkus
ParticipantThe Leopard is not 23hp it is close to 28hp.
December 28, 2006 at 3:05 pm #55876David Watkins
Participant@apsdsmracer wrote:
I have the same question. Why was the weight increased for Biland? There are now three versions with each version making more power. Why would the original lower H.P. version suffer a weight increase? Will the CSC follow these weights?
Anybody have any ideas?
December 28, 2006 at 3:49 pm #55877Rodney Ebersole
ParticipantAnybody have any ideas?
To make the market better for the new’est higher powered and priced Biland.
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